In this episode our guest is Indra Adnan, a writer, elder of a grass-root political movements, psycho-social therapist and EcocivilisationWing of Great Britain. She is also a Founder and Co-initiator of The Alternative UK political platform and a global consultant on soft power. She has consulted to the World Economic Forum, Indian, Finnish and Danish governments, NATO, the Scottish Executive and the Institute of Contemporary Arts amongst others. Indra believes we will need to build new systems and structures to get somewhere. With Indra we discussed it from the Ecocivilisation and politics perspective.